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How many X stronger is Gohan than SS3 Goku?
Less than twice as strong 0 (0%)
Dozens of times stronger 4 (20%)
Hundreds of times stronger 7 (35%)
Thousands of times stronger 4 (20%)
Over 10,000x stronger 2 (10%)
He isn't 1 (5%)
Other (specify) 2 (10%)
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How many times stronger is Ultimate Gohan than SSJ3 Goku?
Topic Started: Dec 21 2014, 01:46 AM (6,369 Views)
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In the Boo arc? Maybe ~50x ?
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If I applied strict multipliers, Gohan would come out hundreds of times stronger than Goku. But I don't feel that gap was ever implied. I think they're within 10x of each other ignoring multipliers.
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Izanagi!

By my numbers, Gohan is over 1000x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

The gap is large...whatever that might be. I use SEG amps and Post Base Gotenks>SSJ Pre-Gotenks and all that so my numbers end up being large. But honestly regardless of what number you use, the same outcome should occur.

It should be significant, whatever significant is to you.
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1000 times and yet vegeta didnt think it would be a good plan to bring him to fight kid, nor did goku insist on it. and instead of questiioning whether vegetas decision was for them to come and ''easily take care of buu (1000 times would mean hes a spec to gohan), he questioned whether it was for them to help.
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Nanho
Dec 21 2014, 03:55 AM
1000 times and yet vegeta didnt think it would be a good plan to bring him to fight kid, nor did goku insist on it. and instead of questiioning whether vegetas decision was for them to come and ''easily take care of buu (1000 times would mean hes a spec to gohan), he questioned whether it was for them to help.
Twice as strong and yet Vegeta didn't think it would be a good plan to bring him to fight Pure Boo, nor did Goku insist on it.

See? That argument can be used against any significant gap. The reason they didn't bring Gohan back to life to fight Pure Boo is because he'd proven himself to be incompetent; they didn't want to risk him screwing around and getting absorbed again.
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Dec 21 2014, 04:03 AM
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Dec 21 2014, 03:55 AM
1000 times and yet vegeta didnt think it would be a good plan to bring him to fight kid, nor did goku insist on it. and instead of questiioning whether vegetas decision was for them to come and ''easily take care of buu (1000 times would mean hes a spec to gohan), he questioned whether it was for them to help.
Twice as strong and yet Vegeta didn't think it would be a good plan to bring him to fight Pure Boo, nor did Goku insist on it.

See? That argument can be used against any significant gap. The reason they didn't bring Gohan back to life to fight Pure Boo is because he'd proven himself to be incompetent; they didn't want to risk him screwing around and getting absorbed again.
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See? That argument can be used against any significant gap. The reason they didn't bring Gohan back to life to fight Pure Boo is because he'd proven himself to be incompetent; they didn't want to risk him screwing around and getting absorbed again.

incompetent? how? Because he didnt finish buu right away? which character gets 2 times stronger than their opponent and doesnt take their time while fighting. That arrogance is a common feature in the manga and in no way differentiates gohan form the rest.

Goku was watching that fight an didnt seem to think he was doing anything wrong.

try again..theres really no way of explaining that scene with even a 2 times gap; if you read through the scenes from when goku questions vegeta to before they went to the look out. The idea of gohan even beating buu doesn't seem probable possible...



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The scene needs no further explanation than Vegeta deciding the humans should defend their own planet for once. That was quite literally the explanation he gave. It wouldn't matter if Gohan was 2x stronger than Pure Boo or 10,000x stronger. He wasn't part of Vegeta's plan.

Not to mention, once again, you're distorting the statements made by the characters, Fräulein Nanho. Goku did not say the boys would "help" fight; he said they would fight.

Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P7.4
Context: after Vegeta has the Earth brought back with the dragonballs
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”
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146.75x stronger.
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Dec 21 2014, 05:08 AM
The scene needs no further explanation than Vegeta deciding the humans should defend their own planet for once. That was quite literally the explanation he gave. It wouldn't matter if Gohan was 2x stronger than Pure Boo or 10,000x stronger. He wasn't part of Vegeta's plan.

Not to mention, once again, you're distorting the statements made by the characters, Fräulein Nanho. Goku did not say the boys would "help" fight; he said they would fight.

Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P7.4
Context: after Vegeta has the Earth brought back with the dragonballs
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”
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The scene needs no further explanation than Vegeta deciding the humans should defend their own planet for once. That was quite literally the explanation he gave. It wouldn't matter if Gohan was 2x stronger than Pure Boo or 10,000x stronger. He wasn't part of Vegeta's plan.

But that would be silly for vegeta to take the far more risky option of having goku slowly create a spirit bomb than to have someone a 100 times stronger or even 10 times stronger to just step in a destroy buu. And goku doesnt insist, nor did any of the kias. isnt that strange to you?


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Not to mention, once again, you're distorting the statements made by the characters, Fräulein Nanho. Goku did not say the boys would "help" fight; he said they would fight.

No. got it from the only available source i have; The spectrum.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

You make it sound like Vegeta makes smart life choices or something.
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Going from "less than twice" right up to "dozens of times" is a pretty big jump, isn't it?

Anyway, he's about 3-4x stronger in my book.
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Goku's first idea was to have the boys fight Boo, so he was either dumb or thought it was a viable option. Most people think he was dumb the entire saga except when it comes to beating Fat Boo.

Vegeta wanted to go in a different direction with the production and Goku was in no position to argue.
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Dec 21 2014, 05:40 AM
You make it sound like Vegeta makes smart life choices or something.
except when hes blinded by his arrogance. but this, obviously, isnt a instance of that ,with him being the fourth strongest one there.

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"I am the bone of my sword."

your right, this is just a prime example of him being stupid. It's really a prime example of bad writing. We all know why AT didn't have Gotenks or Gohan come, it would be anti-climatic. It's always been AT"s style to kind of out with a bang to some degree with fights on the line. He does it all the time. The main villain usually ends up stomping on everyone, at some point the heroes get an upgrade and return the favor. Third round occurs with both sides relatively equal to one another and ending on a climatic note.

It's like his personal style. But it had nothing to do with Gotenks or Gohan's inability to defeat Boo. AT dug himself into a ditch with this one and then has Vegeta talk about how humans need to take responsibility...which is the biggest load of bull Vegeta has probably ever spouted from his mouth.
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